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We’ve heard church attendance is down globally in the wake of the pandemic.
Per Gallup, in the United States, just 22 percent of people say they attend church every week.
That’s down from 32 percent in 2000.
We talked last week to General Lyndon Buckingham, the international leader of The Salvation Army, about this trend and what he makes of it.
And while The Salvation Army hasn’t been wholly immune to this—there are other locations where we’re seeing the opposite.
And we want to take you to one of them today.
The Ray and Joan Kroc Corps and Community Center in Phoenix saw a 112 percent increase in Sunday morning meeting attendance from 2019 to 2023.
So what’s going on at the Kroc?
Captains Dustin and Caroline Rowe are the corps officers, or pastors, of the Phoenix Kroc Center. They’re on the show today to share more about their community, their congregation and their perspective on growing a church.
Show highlights include:
- A peek into life at the Phoenix Kroc Center.
- What an average Sunday is like at the corps.
- The people who makeup the congregation.
- How things have changed post-pandemic.
- Changes that Captains Dustin and Caroline Rowe faced as corps officers.
- Ideas behind the 112 percent increase in Sunday morning attendance at the Kroc from 2019 to 2023.
- How they are growing their congregation.
- How they’ve seen the church community thrive as members invite their family and friends.
- The role personal testimony plays when reaching others and bringing them into the Church.
- How they encourage their congregation to share their faith.
- How testimony has changed their spiritual lives.
- How people are easing the “loneliness epidemic” through a sense of belonging at the Kroc.
- Advice for someone apprehensive about attending or returning to church.
- How you can share your faith today.
Listen and subscribe to the Do Gooders Podcast now. Below is a transcript of the episode, edited for readability. For more information on the people and ideas in the episode, see the links at the bottom of this post.
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Christin Thieme: Captains Dustin and Caroline Rowe, thank you so much for joining me on the Do Gooders Podcast today. Welcome.
Captain Caroline Rowe: Thank you.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Thank you so much.
Captain Caroline Rowe: Happy to be here.
Christin Thieme: Yes, I’m excited to talk to you about life specifically at the Phoenix Kroc Center. So I’m wondering if we can start there and just lay a little bit of a foundation of, can you give us a peek into life at the Kroc Center? First of all, what is a Kroc Center for anybody who might not be as familiar and then maybe a little window into what actually goes on where you are.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Car, you want to start?
Captain Caroline Rowe: Sure. So the Kroc Center is a large community center that all came about because of the big donation that was left by the McDonald’s fortune of Ray and Joan Kroc. And these centers were placed in communities where we provide just a safe place for families, low income, that can come in and they can be a part of sports programs, they can learn how to swim. Even seniors can find community here in different fitness programs. But also, we are a place of faith where we want to make sure that we integrate mission in everything we do, and as people are getting well and whole, that we have the opportunity to introduce them to a God who loves them. And so these are really large and they’re impressive buildings, they’re beautiful. And Dusty and I really try hard to ensure that we use this and we’re good stewards of this to build the kingdom.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Yeah, I think one of the key components of it is that they place these Kroc centers in areas of need. And Joan Kroc’s vision was, and her thought was that a child’s potential should never outgrow the facility that they have access to. And so if they have the capability and the potential to go to the NBA, we have NBA regulation courts, they have the potential to be on Broadway, we have a theater and a stage with equipment and cameras and lights that can simulate that and get them to where they need to be. Just a beautiful center in an area where you wouldn’t really expect it. So it draws in a lot of people within the community from around the surrounding area as well. So it’s a great place that is meant to sharpen minds and grow your faith and just bring people in that wouldn’t have access to this type of facility.
Christin Thieme: Yeah, absolutely. It’s always fun to visit a Kroc Center because I feel like there’s just so much energy and life in them and excitement and fun. And so, I mean, this gift was incredible and we’ve talked quite a number of times on the podcast about the Kroc Centers and what goes on within them. But at the Phoenix Kroc specifically, give us a little preview of what’s the life like, what’s happening right now at the Phoenix Kroc Center?
Captain Dustin Rowe: A lot of things. So we just started our Junior Suns Program. We have boxing going on. We have people who just drop in and enjoy the facility. We rent out our classrooms to two high schools. One is an alternative school for kids who the traditional school route didn’t really work out. And another one is a school for kids that are on the spectrum.
So this is happening all year round, these rentals and as well as people dropping in. But there’s programs, we just restarted our programs. So we have our family night on Wednesday night, which is our troop program, which is really similar to the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. We have Bible study, we have senior Bible study, we have adult Bible study, we have Spanish Bible study, we have a small young adult group. We have our home league on Thursdays, teen nights on Fridays.
We have just a list of programs throughout the week that we provide for discipleship and outreach and just connection. So all that’s going on as well as the leagues, the sports, the fitness classes and education classes that we run at the Kroc Center as well.
Christin Thieme: So much happening. How many people would you say come through the Kroc, in an average week?
Captain Caroline Rowe: I would say during the summer, we could have 1,000 people, you know what I mean, 1,500 come in. We have about 6,000 members. During the summertime, it goes up to 7,000, maybe 7,200. But I mean, there are Kroc Centers that have more members than that, but in our neighborhood and the size of our Kroc, I think that that’s a good place to be.
During just the off season, which is kind of now, right, when kids are in school, we have a lot of seniors that come in the morning. And then in the evenings when we have a ton of families come in, because just like Dusty said, we have football leagues, soccer leagues, basketball leagues, and a lot of programs happening at night. We have an esports room and we also have a full theater production happening right now. So it’s a bustling place here in the evening. So we could have, I don’t know, 1,500 people here.
Christin Thieme: I love it. So in addition to all of these programs that you just ran through, so many opportunities for kids and for families, there’s also a church, the corps, that’s part of the Kroc Center. Can you give us a little bit more of a picture of what exactly is part of the corps at the Kroc Center? What’s an average Sunday like?
Captain Dustin Rowe: Yeah, so one of the things that we really want to ensure is that we’re providing a way for people who don’t have a way to get to the church. We’re providing a way for them. So we have three buses. We have a number of vans that we use, and we have drivers who go and pick people up from a couple of the shelters around the Kroc Center, one that’s located at DHQ, and then another one that’s down the street from there. We pick people up from the ARC, the women up from the ARC, and then we also pick up families who don’t have a means to get to the Kroc Center and kids as well, who just want to come.
And so our drivers have a route they always go to and pick them up for Sunday School. We start Sunday School at 10 o’clock. We have kids Sunday School, we have Faith Foundations or New Believers Sunday School, Adult Sunday School, Spanish Sunday School, Young Adult Sunday School. And then we also have Junior Soldier and our Soldiership classes in certain seasons.
And then we have our church at 11 o’clock and we start that and hustle and bustle. We have our cafe that just kind of kicked off. It’s been going for a year now?
Captain Caroline Rowe: I think over a year, yeah.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Over a year. So that’s just a great area in the Kroc Center where people can congregate and hang out and get a coffee, get a donut, and just talk. They don’t feel like going to Sunday School, they could just hang out there and wait for church to start.
Christin Thieme: You mentioned picking people up. Can you give us a little picture of what the community is like and why, I mean, sending buses out, that’s incredible. I didn’t even realize that. What’s the thinking behind that?
Captain Dustin Rowe: Transportation should never be what keeps people from going to church. If there’s a desire to come and they’re within the radius that we have that we can drive to, then we’re going to pick them up. And so we have a couple of families and even kids who don’t have a way to get to church. We have kids who come without their parents. We actually have families who started coming because their kids initially started coming. And we have kids who accepted Jesus and brought their family and now their family, they’re all members of our church and they’re all believers as well. So even with the ARC or for the shelters, we want to make sure that, I think it’s all women, that they and their kids have access to church. It’s something that we make a priority and ensure that we make a way for them to get to the Kroc Center.
Captain Caroline Rowe: A lot of them are from a recovery background, so our ARC and this Changing Lives Center, they asked us to be one of their host churches. And so that involves us going out there and picking up, and those are single moms. And so we have found that just maybe because of the neighborhood we’re in and the connections we have, that a lot of people who are trying to go through recovery and rebuilding their lives, find a home and find acceptance here at the Kroc Center, at Church at the Kroc.
And so we started to celebrate recovery because of that on Friday nights and small groups that have to do with that so that people are really actually taking steps to maintain sobriety. And so that’s the two biggest kind of pickups we do.
And then like Dusty said, The Salvation Army Shelter, we want to make sure that as they’re there, they get to experience the love of Jesus, that we’re not just servicing them to get them off the street and to help them, but we are doing it in His name. And how we do that is by inviting them, it’s not required, but inviting them to come to church. And some of them might say, “Yeah, I’d come, but I don’t have a ride.” And so that’s why we say, “Well, we’ll pick you up.” And then hopefully when they get out of the shelter, which it’s a four-month program, then they can still call The Salvation Army Church at the Kroc, their home church.
Christin Thieme: Yeah, absolutely. How have you seen things change post-pandemic? You have this bustling community center, bustling church, it sounds like. How have things changed post-pandemic, and what have you seen in some of those shifts? Are you seeing as many people as before and then maybe even for you specifically as pastors, how have things changed for you?
Captain Caroline Rowe: Dust, you talk a lot about this as far as Arizona was a unique state, and I know that you’re recording here from California and California, your experience was quite different than Arizona.
Christin Thieme: That’s true.
Captain Caroline Rowe: Arizona wasn’t shut down for as long and there wasn’t as much kind of downtime, isolation. There was some, right, but one of the things that we quickly tried to do is really pour resources into good streaming capabilities so that we didn’t lose people. Another thing is we had really extraordinary people on our ministry team that went out and visited the teens to ensure that we’re still engaging them. We delivered food boxes to our seniors so that they still knew that we love them, we saw them. And so a lot of this stuff, just trying to continue to engage them, but we found that when it was time to reopen, people were really eager to actually be back in the house of the Lord.
There’s something different about being in the church and being in the chapel in person than the experience online. I love that that’s an option if someone’s ill, that they can watch online. But when you’re actually in the church, they were really hungry for the experience of worship and actually community and things like that. So I felt like in our community, they were ready and eager to come back and worship again. So we’re seeing numbers now that we haven’t seen, but before pandemic, we’ve seen exponential growth. And I know we’re going to go into that a little bit, but I think that people were kind of postured to come back. I don’t know if you felt like that, Dust.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Yeah, absolutely. I think that I loved what we did with our youth, our youth worker was phenomenal. She would go around to the houses and drop off goodie baskets and connect online with the youth group and ensure that there was still a sense of community, even though we weren’t meeting in person. And even what we did at the Kroc Center where we changed what we were doing, instead of being a fitness center, we were doing food boxes and we were giving out sanitation supplies, but we’re still meeting the need. And even in that, there was opportunities to see church members who were coming in and we did a drive-through food box pickup. And so seeing them and even having people come and help out and ensure that we’re still meeting the needs of the community.
But for sure, once we opened our doors, people were really eager to come back. There was a lot of change. There were people who never came back, especially our young adult group. We actually had this growing young adult group from Grand Canyon University that, we lost almost all of them because when COVID hit, the colleges shut down.
And so the majority of those people went home, so they actually didn’t come back. And so we lost that group and we kind of mourned that. But then we had another young adult group that just came right after that. And from that group, we found our corps assistant and we found other staff and people who are pouring into the ministry here at the church. So there was some loss and there was some people that we would never see again, but there was also growth and there were people who were looking for a church home, especially in the midst of the pandemic. They were looking for community and they were looking for acceptance and they were looking for hope. I love that we were postured to receive them and provide those things that they needed.
Christin Thieme: And I want to dig into that a little bit more with you because you mentioned the numbers and we know that church attendance is actually down globally in the wake of the pandemic. For instance, according to Gallup here in the US, just 22% of people say they attend church every week, which is down from 32% in the year 2000. And we know The Salvation Army, like every church, hasn’t been immune to this, but you’ve seen the opposite at the Phoenix Kroc Center. In fact, according to all the numbers that are collected, you’ve had a 112% increase in Sunday morning meeting attendance in just the fiscal years ranging from 2019 to 2023. So what’s going on at the Kroc? What do you credit this incredible growth to?
Captain Dustin Rowe: We lie. Those are… No, I’m just joking.
Honestly, one of the things that was a turning point at the Kroc Center, and I’ll say this, the Kroc Center is beautiful. It’s a beautiful building. People enjoy coming. They want to come and play sports and climb the rock wall and go to the fitness center and all that. So growing any type of program isn’t as difficult as it would be at a facility that doesn’t have all the amenities that we have.
But one of the things that really changed is when we changed our marketing manager and he was a believer and extremely missional. And so one of the main focuses was mission integration and bringing people members and connecting them to the church, letting them know one, that there’s a church here because a lot of people didn’t know. It was just kind of an afterthought. And so marketing in the parking lot and on the street, in the gym during tournaments where we would have thousands of people come and just be on one side of the Kroc Center, having no idea that on the other side, we’re having church.
And so we actually saw a lot of people just walk on over from the gym and check out church while their kids are in between games. And that just gave us an opportunity to connect and gave us an opportunity to show them what the church is and how we are. And so I think that was a huge turning point for us.
Christin Thieme: Is that, you mean physical signs? When you’re talking about marketing, what are you talking about?
Captain Dustin Rowe: Yeah, absolutely. So we had signs that we put up on the street, we had signs in the parking lot, and then we put up televisions that had different slides showing different aspects of the Kroc Center and one of the main ones was church. And it was also our outreach programs and our discipleship programs, our teen nights, our troops, our Bible studies and stuff like that. So physical posters as well as our social media. Just putting more effort into that and making sure that we’re providing the information that people need to know that we’re here and what time to attend.
Captain Caroline Rowe: I think too, because when… I mean, my hope is that if someone listens to the podcast, they get a nugget that they can use at their corps to try or their church, to try to grow it. And so one of the things was also with marketing with social media, that is such really low expense exposure that you can do in your zip code where you could say, we’re a family church. A lot of people don’t feel seen in a mega church. And so we are built sometimes for a certain type of people. So we did some social media exposure even to our membership and to our surrounding area, thanks to our marketing director. I think a couple of other things that helped is when we looked at our neighborhood, we realized we’re 61% Hispanic and we had no Spanish ministry. And so when we looked at that, we said, “Man…” it was a bit, it took us a bit, but we approached a set of retired officers and they came in and they’re starting to lead our Spanish ministry now where we have translation.
So that I think really helped us. Another thing is looking at our neighborhood needing recovery services and things like that. So celebrate recovery and bringing in people of recovery where they feel at home. And we actually, compared to how many people show up on Sunday, we might pick up 10% maybe. You know what I mean? But even having them there, I feel like people feel at home and I feel like we really put some resources into recovery ministry.
Another thing that I think is super important and Dusty and I, before we were called to be Salvation Army officers, when we were looking for a church, we looked for three things. We wanted really good worship and we’re super blessed to have Keith Hines and our worship team. The other thing is we wanted really good sound preaching. And so of our ministry team, we try to make that a real priority, that the sermons that are given on Sunday are not an afterthought, that we pray over them, that we pour over them, and we really ask God to anoint them so that when the people receive them, that they’re actually growing. And especially even with Bible studies.
And then the third thing we look for as a young family is really good child care where I’m going into a nursery and I’m looking and I’m saying, “Okay, I can trust these people with my kids.” And I think that it doesn’t take a lot of resources to hire someone to be in a nursery. And we do. We pay for a nursery worker, and sometimes we have, I’m not kidding, we actually have to pay for two now because we have about 15 babies and little kids in there because we want young families to feel secure in leaving their kid there. And then also a good junior church program. So those were the three things we really tried to implement.
And then one thing that was stirred in us when we went to FOF, me, and I kind of journaled about it is the Lord said, “Man, if you pray over your place of worship, I will fill it.”
And so that’s one of the things that we do every Sunday morning, is we walk up and down the chairs and we pray for the people that will sit in those chairs, that God will fill those seats and that he will stir their hearts to receive, and that if they’re not a person of faith, that they will get saved and be discipled in the church. And so we really believe that it’s God’s church. They are His people.
And so when we pray, we really are asking God for His presence to just be in that place and that people experience Him when they’re there. And so I think all of those things are important, that people find community and they can serve. We give them opportunities for service, and Dusty went through all the things that we have for spiritual development and discipleship. All throughout the week there’s tons of areas where you can find a group that looks like you, that feels like you, and that you can grow in your faith.
Captain Dustin Rowe: I want to say one more thing. We have phenomenal staff and volunteers that really help us in the ministry here at the Kroc Center. Our corps assistant is amazing. He leads a staff Bible study every week and makes it a point and actually chairs the Mission Integration Committee where we find ways to introduce the gospel to different groups within the Kroc Center and even connect them to church.
But he makes it a point to be intentional on conversations with people. He led our security guard to the Lord, he’s led front desk attendants and gym attendants and aquatics, lifeguards to the Lord. It is part of who he is. And it’s part of the natural conversation that he has with individuals.
Our assistant, Jerrica Tamale, is phenomenal and she connects with people in a special way, and she makes sure that she’s present for divine appointments. And it’s just that the people that we have around us are such an integral part of our church and the volunteers that come and they make sure that when they take a role within the ministry, that they take it seriously and they’re bringing people to the feet of Jesus. It’s something that, it’s happened organically and it’s something also that we’ve been intentional on. It’s just this group effort and the ministry that we have here at Church at the Kroc.
Christin Thieme: Yeah, I mean clearly so much to offer and so much that you and your team are doing, but it sounds like a lot also comes down to that personal connection piece, and that’s a lot about what we’re talking about within he Western territory specifically of The Salvation Army this year is this idea of testimony, testifying. What role do you think that personal testimony plays in reaching others and introducing them to Jesus, bringing them to your church? What’s the role of personal testimony and is that something that you’re intentionally encouraging and how so among your congregation?
Captain Caroline Rowe: I think we talk a lot about this because most of our congregation are new Salvation Army people. So they haven’t grown up in the church, and a lot of them are new believers, and so they’re new in their faith, but there’s still a responsibility. And we try to say this from the platform and Dusty says it in his Bible study, there is a responsibility that we grow the kingdom—not officers, not soldiers. Every person that’s a believer should be working to grow the kingdom. And so some of our new believers might say, “Well, I don’t know enough Bible. I don’t literally know how to walk someone through how to get saved.” And we try to teach that. But the biggest thing we say is your story actually is the thing where people see a change in you, how you live. And don’t be afraid to tell of the hope that is within you.
And I pulled the scripture verse in 1 Peter 3:15, and it says, “Always be prepared to give an answer to the hope that you have, but do this with gentleness and respect.” And so that’s the one thing we tell our people is, “So you’re not a theologian. That’s okay. Tell of the hope that is within you, and then people will see it.”
So you start to see sisters coming, husbands coming, neighbors coming. I’m looking at a ton of people, a lot of their co-workers, and so much of the church growth really was that. Dust, I don’t know if you experienced that too, even in your Bible study, people are coming in and they’re like, “Oh yeah, this is my sister and I brought her.” And then they’re growing together. And I think part of it is personal testimony. The battle has been won by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. And I think that that’s at minimum, even if you’re a new believer, that’s one thing that you can do is tell up the hope that you have in Him.
Christin Thieme: Yeah, absolutely. And as officers or pastors in The Salvation Army, how has testimony changed your own spiritual life?
Captain Dustin Rowe: How has testimony changed our own spiritual life. I think that making it a priority to share it and be prepared. We’re called to be prepared and be ready to give an answer for our hope. And so even just being intentional on having that be part of our everyday conversation. I was talking to Caroline about this before where if I was really into working out, people would know. I would talk about it, right? If I was a vegan, everybody would know, right? I’d share it on social media. Everybody would know I was vegan. If I was really into a sports team, everybody would know the sports team that I support.
But we as believers, we don’t always include our faith in our conversation, but it’s such a huge part of who we are. And so it should just be a natural aspect of our conversation, our faith, what God has done, even the victories or the things that we’re working on.
Even if someone is not a believer, it should just be a part of a conversation. If they’re an acquaintance, if they’re a friend, if they’re family, they should know the things that are part of our life. And so our testimony shares not only what we’re going through, but the way that God is working in our life and the victory that we have in him and the hope that we found in him and to keep that bottled up is to do a disservice to those and it’s disobedience to The Father. So our testimony in my personal life is something that causes me to be intentional and grow my faith by making it a part of my everyday conversation in everyday life.
Captain Caroline Rowe: I think being an officer sometimes can, or a pastor, can feel like a thankless job. And sometimes you’re like, “Come on, Lord, show me the kingdom business. Show me, God, where something has happened.” And even as a Salvation Army officer, the business of it can feel almost not spiritual. And so when you hear a testimony from somebody where the ministry, you were used by God to do something in their life and you are part of their story, man, that’s it. That’s where you’re like, okay, this is why we do what we do.
I can go into board meetings and balance budgets and work in HR and work on property, which all of that is kingdom. But for that one moment where someone said, man, at this moment when I learned this in Bible study or I got saved, and sometimes I’ve heard people got saved through the ministry that I had no idea. And I was like, “Wait, you got saved that day. I didn’t even know.” You know what I mean? And so those are those moments where you’re like, that testimony is such an encouragement where it breeds life into your ministry.
Christin Thieme: Yeah, absolutely. We’ve heard many times in recent months, years that America has a loneliness epidemic, as it’s called. What do you see as the church, The Salvation Army, the Kroc? What’s the offer there for people who are looking for that sense of belonging, which aren’t we all, right?
Captain Dustin Rowe: It’s easy. It’s Jesus, right? They come and they find Jesus and they find people who love Jesus. I think that’s the beauty of the Kroc Center is we’re just a group of people who love Jesus, and we all look different. I know that we’re in a rougher area of town, but we serve those in our community. We serve people outside of it as well. There’s people who are affluent, there’s people who, there’s young families, older families, there’s grandparents, there’s people who don’t speak English. It is just this melting pot of people who love Jesus.
I think that what is so welcoming is that when people come, they see the vast, the different people at the Kroc Center, but they’re welcomed and they’re accepted and it feels like family because there are a bunch of Christ followers who just want to love and encourage each other. I think it’s for people who are feeling lonely, for people who are trying to find community, I think that it should be, we should be the most welcoming and the most accepting, and the place where you’re going to find community and connection. And especially if you’re struggling with loneliness or feeling like you’re not accepted or not loved. You should be the place that you come when you need to feel accepted, when you need to feel loved.
Christin Thieme: What would you say to someone who might still be apprehensive about coming back or just coming to church?
Captain Caroline Rowe: Well, for us, we always try to cultivate a culture of acceptance. And Dusty even said it last night in his Bible study where he says it’s the sick who need a doctor. So don’t feel like you have to clean yourself up before you come. And one of the things is our leadership team reflects the community. So we are diverse. Our church reflects the community. So don’t be shy when you come in and feel like you’re going to not look like us. We have older, we have younger, we have families, we have Hispanics, we have Filipinos, we have African-Americans, we have white, we have Spanish-speaking, English-speaking, so you will feel at home.
And our heart is that when they come into the church that they can taste and see that God is good and they can do that through the community that’s there, and that we actually intentionally have people greet, sit at a visitor’s table. And so for those and that people are shaking hands and trying to greet people as they come in, so if you’re thinking about coming back to church, man, pray, ask God to get you into a church that is just meant for you, and walk in the doors, be brave, be courageous. God will honor your faith. And that’s where it’s at. Christian community was part of the gift that God gave us in the church. And so yeah, I think just take the step.
Christin Thieme: As your encouragement for somebody on one side who needs to come in the door, what would be your practical advice, your encouragement to those listening on how they can start to simply share their faith more today?
Captain Dustin Rowe: Just make it a part of your everyday conversation. You don’t have to hit somebody over the head with a Bible. You don’t need to stand on the corner and shout through a bullhorn. You just make it a part of your everyday conversation. It’s a part of your life. I mean, Jesus is your savior, you love Him with all your heart, so why would you exclude Him from your conversation, right? Let people know who we serve and why you have the hope that you have, why you have peace in the middle of trial.
Our Christian life isn’t an absence of trials. We don’t live our life without any hardship. We absolutely have hard times that we go through, but the difference is that we have peace and we have joy, and we have hope in Christ, our savior, and so people should know that. So I think that if you’re looking to just share your faith, share it, just make it a part of your natural organic conversation. You don’t have to spout scripture to somebody. I mean, you absolutely can use these things as they’ve been given to us as ammunition to fight against the enemy, but it should just, if you want to introduce your faith to people, just have it be a part of your conversation. Let them know who you are and who you follow and who you serve.
Christin Thieme: I think we’ll leave it there. Captains, thank you so much for the work that you’re doing and for sharing today all that’s going on at the Phoenix Kroc Center.
Captain Caroline Rowe: Thanks for having us.
Captain Dustin Rowe: Our pleasure. Thank you.
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